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Submitted by w1r3d1 on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 1:37pm.
Over the last few weeks, I along with family members, Oly Coffee and Espresoparts staff and friends have been tricking out our little part of Downtown on Cherry St. ![]() ![]()
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Olyblog honors tagging?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 1:50pm.Sometimes its hard not to feel worn down
Submitted by Katherine on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 1:51pm.There are a lot of us who care about downtown and who work in our own myriad ways to make it better. Terry and Kelly, their kids and all the employees at the Cherry St. Cafe and Espresso Parts work really hard on making downtown an attractive space to build community. Half the people I know from OlyBlog get coffee there at least a couple times a week. Several of us used Terry's conference room (he wasn't even in town, for goodness sake!) last Friday for the very hopeful beginning of some serious coalition building for downtown vitality. And the work he has done in his alley (and now the really cool coffee-concrete planter in conjunction with Meta) is what really started off all the alley improvement projects on the City's end over the last year.
I wish the ever-increasing list of worthwhile expenditures the Espresso Parts folks have tallied up in the name of improving downtown was enough to inoculate them from stupid people. I wish that really cool murals that downtown businesses pay for to make their street look more hospitable were immune from tacky taggers. And I wish that people who think tagging is an acceptable form of public discourse would start setting the bar higher than tagging someone else's work.
it's a sweet mural
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:01pm.I particularly like the classic steam engine locomotive look that this perspective provides. And had my photos from Friday not turned out not-so-hot this would already be in the Olympia Public Art section of OlyBlog.
That being said I can only speculate on the motive and my speculation is that of a graffiti outsider fascinated by its history, word play, process and aesthetic. So here's my speculation: Cond tagged it because she/he was giving respect to the mural/piece and to let other like minded folks know it. I may be completely wrong but I imagine that had the tagger been intending disrespect she/he would have gone over the artist's name.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Are you serious?
Submitted by Mary Baker Eddy on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:07pm.[...]
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:13pm.As I said, I'm an outsider and I'm just relating some of the things I've picked up from books, looking at graffiti murals and listening to people. I repeat, I do not know this for fact and it is a speculative conclusion inferred from what I have learned.
Different cultures have different ways of showing respect. In traditional U.S. culture it's considered a sign of respect to look your elders in the eyes when meeting and addressing them. If you go to Japan and try the same thing you'd be showing nearly the exact opposite.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Seriously?
Submitted by Katherine on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:14pm.I may be completely wrong
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:17pm.The first thing I thought when I saw it was "Cond is giving props to the piece." I don't know Cond and I don't know her/his motives here, all I'm going by is what I've learned.
I did not think the same thing of the Meek tag on the Childhood's End mural.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
great musing...
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:17pm.I'm still at a loss...I guess I see it [tagging] as pollution that humans create.
-any tips (enpen) on how to earn the respect of the "graffiti outsider" so as to avoid such tagging?
Sorry
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:24pm.I'm assuming you mean insider. Artwork, a strong community of graffiti artists with well established apprenticeships and getting people involved in community usually slows down tagging of things people care about.
Sometimes people are antisocial jerks. I don't know what to do about the havoc they cause.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
yeah, sorry...
Submitted by chad360 on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 10:32am.I mis-read your comment, but thanks for the suggestions-
Taggers just bore and irritate me
Submitted by groundhog on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:02pm.I totally agree with Katherine's statement above,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:13pm.I also think enpen is right about the motivations for this tag. There is a certain language spoken, so to speak, in graf culture through their work. From graffitila.com:
"Tagging over a piece is a common form of dissing (disrespecting) either a specific writer in a crew or an entire crew. But often, tag toys simply disrespect whoever happens to be up on a wall. Although tagging on pieces is often deliberate disrespect, sometimes one can see a respectful tag, that is, one that is done neatly between the lines, usually near an outer edge, as if to say “I really want to be part of this piece but not mess it up.”
I kind of wish folks wouldn't target things like murals too, being that they're outside of graffiti culture, but like enpen said (basically), there's really not anything anybody can do when somebody decides to. Perhaps this is another thing that comes with living in the city, like blocked views.
street art is different
Submitted by irooshka on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:32pm.you might enjoy this article about a New York street art vandal.
If this was New York, I
Submitted by w1r3d1 on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 4:30pm.I don't think anyone can explain away this one
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 5:19pm.norm said karma
Submitted by Katherine on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 5:25pm.It has been known to happen...
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 7:47pm.and yet the amount of
Submitted by Katherine on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 8:12pm.Glad I could bring a smile
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 10:53pm.I don't think anyone is trying to expain anything away
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 5:45pm.A Cycle
Submitted by Just another voice on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 6:10pm.We need to remember that the folks that are throwing up those pieces started as taggers. And whether we like them or not, they are part of the culture here.
It really sucks when someone thinks they are being cool and takes ownership of something that isn't theres by putting their tag on it, like this mural.
The only way to rid the city of tagging is to have a zero tolerance policy on unauthorized painting and tagging on someones property that did not want it. If you look around Oly, we have A LOT of tags on street poles, traffic signs, guardrails, and blank walls everywhere! By leaving tags up we show other taggers that 'meh, this is fine' and it multiplies. Now, some of us might think it is fine and it is art-- and well, it is a form of someone art.
The question shouldn't be how do we rid the city of tags, but how do we take these blank walls back? Let's spend time talking about community visioning for these blank walls, and less about 'those dang kids'-- because those kids are always going to be around. It's just a matter of getting to those walls before they do. And when they do tag it, cover it up right away.
But I am Just Another Voice
I also wanted to write that
Submitted by Just another voice on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 6:13pm.But I am Just Another Voice
if I were religious I'd say "amen"
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 11:37pm."and just because a few people will probably tag on it in the future, it doesn't mean it isn't doing its job as a piece of art in a public space."
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
people are going to do
Submitted by dopenessmeter on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 12:23pm.zero tolarance is not the way
Submitted by irooshka on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 11:56am.