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Submitted by w1r3d1 on Mon, 07/21/2008 - 1:37pm.

Over the last few weeks, I along with family members, Oly Coffee and Espresoparts staff and friends have been tricking out our little part of Downtown on Cherry St.

This weekend however, several people chose to claim this as their own and trashed much of our hard work. The murals painted by Ira were tagged by someone far less creative and artistic.

Beer cans and vomit were also left as gifts from these kind folks.

Was it homeless people? NO

Was it Lakefair People? NO

People who cannot respect the property and hard work of others should not be given any title. Drunk is not an excuse, it is a choice. My tolerance for graffiti type vandalism reached an abrupt end this morning.

The original drawings of the work Ira painted were completed by Dave White who is a partner in Olympia Coffee. Ira Painted them and completed the work Thursday last week.

These murals were not paid for with an art grant or donated by the artists. We paid to have the work created, to honor both the artist and the Muralist.

Why is it then that with all of the tags and graffiti that Olyblog continues to honor, should this person claim art work completed by true artists?

Signiture of an idiot
Completed Mural

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Olyblog honors tagging?

I must have missed that meeting. It's a too bad a tagger defaced that piece.
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Sometimes its hard not to feel worn down

There are a lot of us who care about downtown and who work in our own myriad ways to make it better. Terry and Kelly, their kids and all the employees at the Cherry St. Cafe and Espresso Parts work really hard on making downtown an attractive space to build community. Half the people I know from OlyBlog get coffee there at least a couple times a week. Several of us used Terry's conference room (he wasn't even in town, for goodness sake!) last Friday for the very hopeful beginning of some serious coalition building for downtown vitality. And the work he has done in his alley (and now the really cool coffee-concrete planter in conjunction with Meta) is what really started off all the alley improvement projects on the City's end over the last year. 

I wish the ever-increasing list of worthwhile expenditures the Espresso Parts folks have tallied up in the name of improving downtown was enough to inoculate them from stupid people.  I wish that really cool murals that downtown businesses pay for to make their street look more hospitable were immune from tacky taggers.  And I wish that people who think tagging is an acceptable form of public discourse would start setting the bar higher than tagging someone else's work. 

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it's a sweet mural

I particularly like the classic steam engine locomotive look that this perspective provides. And had my photos from Friday not turned out not-so-hot this would already be in the Olympia Public Art section of OlyBlog.

That being said I can only speculate on the motive and my speculation is that of a graffiti outsider fascinated by its history, word play, process and aesthetic. So here's my speculation: Cond tagged it because she/he was giving respect to the mural/piece and to let other like minded folks know it. I may be completely wrong but I imagine that had the tagger been intending disrespect she/he would have gone over the artist's name.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Are you serious?

Tagging a work of art is respect? Please if that's your definition of respect I implore you never to respect me.

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[...]

As I said, I'm an outsider and I'm just relating some of the things I've picked up from books, looking at graffiti murals and listening to people. I repeat, I do not know this for fact and it is a speculative conclusion inferred from what I have learned.

Different cultures have different ways of showing respect. In traditional U.S. culture it's considered a sign of respect to look your elders in the eyes when meeting and addressing them. If you go to Japan and try the same thing you'd be showing nearly the exact opposite.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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Seriously?

I'm afraid your explanation feels more like a justification. You're right that Ira's mural is awesome. Tagging it is lame. Just like Meek on the Childhood's End mural. Lame.
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I may be completely wrong

The first thing I thought when I saw it was "Cond is giving props to the piece." I don't know Cond and I don't know her/his motives here, all I'm going by is what I've learned.

I did not think the same thing of the Meek tag on the Childhood's End mural.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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great musing...

I'm still at a loss...I guess I see it [tagging] as pollution that humans create.

-any tips (enpen) on how to earn the respect of the "graffiti outsider" so as to avoid such tagging?

 

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Sorry

I'm assuming you mean insider. Artwork, a strong community of graffiti artists with well established apprenticeships and getting people involved in community usually slows down tagging of things people care about.

Sometimes people are antisocial jerks. I don't know what to do about the havoc they cause.

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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yeah, sorry...

I mis-read your comment, but thanks for the suggestions-

 

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Taggers just bore and irritate me

%95 of the tags I see around this town to me look very cliche, boring, dumb and overall, point-f-cking-LESS. Every now and then I've been asked if I tag, usually I'm asked by taggers or people who appreciate them and I take that opportunity to put my foot down and say no, I think it's f-cking stupid, egotistical/narcissistic and a primitive method of supposedly claiming territory in many cases. I'm so tired of people celebrating these things, people who are supposedly countercultural. Celebrating and appreciating egotistical jerkoffs and the concept of territory. It makes me feel disappointed in this town that's otherwise full of creative folks. Can't this town get it's mind off of this fascination with tagging so we can evolve a little quicker? Instead of tagging a scribbled name that myself and most people can care less about imagine if, for every tag you saw around, it was a beautiful or challenging or fun image/design/piece of art, in public. There would be thousands of interesting pieces all over downtown alone that would enhance our everyday lives. That's what I'd rather see and strive for. Actually if we had more, better street art in this town it might show up all the taggers because their tags would look lame by comparison. Then again, this great mural on the Oly coffee building is a very good example of that and IT got tagged. hmm.. If tags were spoken of in this town more often as largely dumb, low-brow and often disrespectul, it might not happen as often. Some taggers I've met are pretty nice cool people and might hear out a message like that and move on to making paintings, stencils, wheatpasting or something better instead.
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I totally agree with Katherine's statement above,

I also think enpen is right about the motivations for this tag. There is a certain language spoken, so to speak, in graf culture through their work. From graffitila.com:

"Tagging over a piece is a common form of dissing (disrespecting) either a specific writer in a crew or an entire crew. But often, tag toys simply disrespect whoever happens to be up on a wall. Although tagging on pieces is often deliberate disrespect, sometimes one can see a respectful tag, that is, one that is done neatly between the lines, usually near an outer edge, as if to say “I really want to be part of this piece but not mess it up.”

I kind of wish folks wouldn't target things like murals too, being that they're outside of graffiti culture, but like enpen said (basically), there's really not anything anybody can do when somebody decides to. Perhaps this is another thing that comes with living in the city, like blocked views.

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street art is different

as irritating as tags can be, they are part of the layers of the urban landscape. when you put up a mural on an outdoor wall, you run the risk of the unexpected. this is what separates street art from the controlled art of museums and galleries. you can't expect it to remain untouched.

you might enjoy this article about a New York street art vandal.

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If this was New York, I

If this was New York, I might be interested in that perspective. This is Olympia, where I would hope that respect could be shown to artists. This was vandalism, and yes, I understand that it should be expected, and I think that is a damn shame.
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I don't think anyone can explain away this one

It's offensive, and I truly feel for the artist. I'm sorry that this happend, and I hope that the person responsible for this gets some negative karma down the line.
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norm said karma

hee hee
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It has been known to happen...

...from time to time.
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and yet the amount of

and yet the amount of happiness it brings me does not abate...
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Glad I could bring a smile

nt
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I don't think anyone is trying to expain anything away

Speculating on why someone behaves a certain way is not the same as condoning it. Suggesting that it is a fact of life is just realistic. Tagging, like shoplifting, is antisocial (given established norms of behavior); I wish people wouldn't do either, but gosh some do. I'm certainly sorry the artists’ work was tagged. It was and remains a lovely piece of work. But I get the feeling the subtext here is that some of us do not show sufficient outrage at such acts. Sorry about that, but I cannot choose my passions. All I can say is I'd rather it didn't happen.
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A Cycle

When we talk about tagging, and we say how ugly it is, sometimes we also talk out of one side of our mouth and say how beautiful those graffiti pieces are, like on the free wall.

We need to remember that the folks that are throwing up those pieces started as taggers. And whether we like them or not, they are part of the culture here.

It really sucks when someone thinks they are being cool and takes ownership of something that isn't theres by putting their tag on it, like this mural.

The only way to rid the city of tagging is to have a zero tolerance policy on unauthorized painting and tagging on someones property that did not want it. If you look around Oly, we have A LOT of tags on street poles, traffic signs, guardrails, and blank walls everywhere! By leaving tags up we show other taggers that 'meh, this is fine' and it multiplies. Now, some of us might think it is fine and it is art-- and well, it is a form of someone art.

The question shouldn't be how do we rid the city of tags, but how do we take these blank walls back? Let's spend time talking about community visioning for these blank walls, and less about 'those dang kids'-- because those kids are always going to be around. It's just a matter of getting to those walls before they do. And when they do tag it, cover it up right away.

But I am Just Another Voice

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I also wanted to write that

I also wanted to write that we should also think about the mural like this: it will prevent dozens of more tags in the future on that blank wall-- and just because a few people will probably tag on it in the future, it doesn't mean it isn't doing its job as a piece of art in a public space.

But I am Just Another Voice

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if I were religious I'd say "amen"

"and just because a few people will probably tag on it in the future, it doesn't mean it isn't doing its job as a piece of art in a public space."

"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe

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people are going to do

people are going to do graffiti no matter how much "public art" you have. If you own property of any kind you should expect graffiti. also each time I see something billed as "subversive, intelligent street art" I want to catch tags over it out of spite.
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zero tolarance is not the way

I was with you JAV until you mentioned zero tolerance. I'd rather see tags on walls than cameras and those brown buff blotches. Tagging nice artwork is bad form and this tagger made a bad move. But are draconian measures necessary to control public spaces? I prefer layers of art and scribble to a spectacle of force.
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