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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 2:52pm.
Jan 17 2008 - 3:00pm I received this via e-mail: Impeachment Hearing in WA State Senate! |
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Or find better use of your time...
Submitted by Paul on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 4:09pm.Caution Warning Careful Look Out; The following will offend, piss off, perhaps degrade and certainly beget another tortured Olyblog thread. Look the other way if it's too much.
Oh forchristsakes Robert! Please, I beg of you and your friends, give it up. This is a monumental waste of state taxpayer's money (yes, we're all funding Legislative staff to screw around with this worthless exercise; they don't come free). There are people to feed, house, cloth. There are children to educate. There are roads and bridges and ferrys and buses to maintain. There are flood survivors to help. There are elderly to care for. There are…
And all Sen. Eric Omen (D-Onetrickpony) can offer us is this continued tripe? Take it up with Madame Speaker and company in the Other Washington whom we elected to stand up to the nimrods in the White House but who have so far abdicated their Constitutional responsibilities to impeach.
When I feed the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. - Dom Helder Camara, Archbishop of Recife, Brazil
I'm sure there's a nicer way to say this.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 4:19pm.Thanks Rob!
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 4:39pm.Validity of State Impeachment Memorial
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 4:42pm.Do you seek the same accountability of liberals?
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 9:48am.Say for instance some one like Jim McDermott? How about other national liberal figures like William Jefferson, Nancy Pants, or Harry Reid? I don't think your intentions are altruistic. The 'State Impeachmennt Memorial' is a fools errand, and a waste of everybodys money. I also think Robert you need to see past your emotional reaction to the earlier post and actually respond to the comment.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
well,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 10:12am.Same accountability
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 10:29am.I am very curious to know what would lead you to believe that my intentions are not altruistic. Please explain!
I simply disagree about the memorial being a waste of the taxpayers' money.
The actions of the Bush Administration are most egregious. My nationally elected officials are not doing their part. Baird, Cantwell, and Murray et al. are not owning up to their responsibility to hold the Executive Branch accountable to the Constitution - to hold it accountable to the people.
I oppose corruption in a non-partisan and holistic manner. I can't imagine what would lead you to think otherwise.
It is the actions of the Bush Administration (prewar intel fraud, torture, corporatism, secrecy, unreasonable search and seizure, etc.) which give me such great cause to support investigations into alleged Impeachable Offenses, at all levels of government.
I think...
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 11:23am.You are a partisan. I don't believe you can honestly say that you are treating liberals the same as conservatives. You seem to toe the line on the pre war intel 'fraud', (odd how many nations our assessment agreed with. Russia, and the UK being two examples. Torture... How many people went to jail for the stuff that happened in Abu Ghraib? Yet you go on about accountability. Search and seizure? Please. You get where I am coming from here, I hope.
So you want to hold Bush accountable, why then is there no movement in congress to make this happen? Is it because there is good reason? Seems like an agenda driven by bitterness towards the president and not much else. As liberal as Olympia is, and that is pretty liberal, how many supporters turned out for the last rally or what ever last time? 500? Not many considering how many residents there are in the Lacey Tumwater Olympia area. What percentage of those do you honestly think came from SPSCC and TESC?
On the flip side, how much time do you spend following the behavior of a guy like Jim McDermott, who is some where between sedition and treason any time he heads to the middle east. I don’t recall so much as a single word from you on the subject. Things from Murray have been pretty quiet since she was caught on video extolling the virtues of Bin Laden. I wonder if you held her to any sort of accountability when it came to that issue?
My point is that you spend zero time, as far as I have seen holding to account any liberal but rather you spend your time channeling your vitriol towards Bush and Cheney. I have not seen you take to task any liberal politicians, judges or community member. That is why I don’t buy for a moment that you are altruistic what so ever. You are a partisan as indicated by the posts you make here on Olyblog. I don’t have a problem with partisans or their agenda, but I find it dishonest when a partisan pretends not to be. As I said before, I think you should respond the previous comment about issues such as education and so on.
In the interest of disclosure, and because I am sure some one will leap at the chance to point out that I am also a partisan, I openly admit I am a partisan, and take with it the things (most if not all of them) that go with it.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
Wait a second...
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 12:31pm."Things from Murray have been pretty quiet since she was caught on video extolling the virtues of Bin Laden."
Are you talking about Sen. Murray's analysis of why Al-Qaida gets support in the Middle East? The one where she talked about the charitable work of terrorist organizations? Seems pretty clear cut to me, and hardly amounted to "extolling the virtues" of terrorists. The fact is, terrorist organizations have a hand up in some of the hardest off places (think Gaza) because most of the hospitals, schools, and food distribution centers in these places are run by terrorists. This is important data in the fight for "hearts and minds", which is a military priority in any war.
Your quote here amounts to partisan hackery, and is a clear attempt at taking the words of a liberal Senator out of context for your own purposes.
The Canaanite's Call
Some people are allergic
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 12:38pm.allergic
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 12:57pm.One of Murray's wonderful quotes
Submitted by JT on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 1:02pm.""He's (Osama bin Laden) been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and these people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
Bad thing to be extolling to a high school honors class, since it's a lie.
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
Is it?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 3:20pm.Yes, a lie!
Submitted by JT on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 3:30pm.""He's (Osama bin Laden) been out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day-care facilities, building health-care facilities, and these people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."
She says we (the USA) haven't built any schools, roads, infrastructure, day-care, health-care facilities in the region (these countries). Do you believe that is the truth?
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
Wishing it to be true doesn't make it so.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 4:46pm.Ditto Rob.
Submitted by Phil Owen on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 3:25pm.I'm not sure this is a lie, Tsch. I don't know a whole lot about Al-Qaida's operations in particular, but I do know that both Hezbollah and Hamas have made use of exactly the kind of strategy that Murray is talking about here. From a strategic standpoint, it's just smart to do that kind of stuff.
The Canaanite's Call
Tsch
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 11:53am.I'm Sorry Gug...
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 12:25pm.Did I miss where Robert was taking a liberal to task over something? I would be glad to have a link to read and have a better understanding of his political agenda.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
Misunderstanding
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 12:32pm.What you seem to have glossed over, and it's something I have said repeatedly now, is that the reason I oppose the current Bush Executive so vocally is because the actions of Prominent Administration officials constitute some of the greatest crimes of our day.
I don't have the time or the energy to put more into than that, right now.
I seriously question your willingness and ability to listen Chris. You're free to disagree, preferably in a respectful manner. But I don't appreciate being chided for my beliefs and views.
I thought I made it clear....
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 1:31pm.When I said this in the previous comment, "You are a partisan as indicated by the posts you make here on Olyblog." I am basing what I think by what you say here. Here you have the option and the ability to set the record straight, but instead you seem to choose to change the subject. I don’t know you personally, nor have I known you long enough to know what you said in the past about the Clinton administration. I don’t argue that, and I clearly was not my point.
You are supporting the use of tax payer monies to be used on something that is clearly going to go no where. I think an honest person would see that although it may be meaningful to those who support such a use of money, it will not end with any impeachment hearings. This was pointed out to you, and you have so far ignored the point made, by me and by ‘Paul’. There’s other more pressing and important issues than the ‘state impeachment memorial’.
As I said before, I don’t buy for a second that your intentions are altruistic. You do not ON THIS BLOG treat liberals and conservatives the same. If I am wrong would you please show me where I missed a post of yours that would demonstrate this? I would gladly take back my claim that you have a double standard when it comes to holding judges or politicians or community members accountable. Until then, I have no reason to stop pointing out that you are a partisan operating with an ultra left agenda.
As for this comment from you “I seriously question your willingness and ability to listen Chris. You're free to disagree, preferably in a respectful manner. But I don't appreciate being chided for my beliefs and views.” Robert, I am asking direct questions and getting no direct answers. Yet you think I am not listening. I do not appreciate your suggestion that I am being disrespectful. Disagreement is not disrespect, but you know that I am sure. There is nothing uncivil in asking about your motives and your past behavior. Lastly I don’t appreciate your beliefs and views wasting money of the Washington State tax payers. If what you support uses tax money, people have the right and obligation to understand why that money is being spent. None of us is above scrutiny or criticism.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
It's pretty funny...
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 1:49pm....to read you calling someone else a partisan. Your own rhetoric has been highly resistant to evidence and logic, so I don't think you have much of leg to stand on. That aside, Rob has been responsive to your comments, contrary to your claim. If you want to discuss the ideas involved here, please do. However, ad hominem attacks don't move the ball forward. So, please keep to the issues.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
Rick, thanks for the input
Submitted by Tschida on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 1:58pm.Clearly you don't know what an ad hominem attack is so please take a look. Here is a link to help you out. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem You might notice that Robert has not responded directly to Paul or my questions about other pressing issues, rather than the waste of tax money. But don't let the obvious get in your way. Further, I am more than willing to discuss the issue with Robert but I can't make him take it up can I? Seems your suggestion is pointed in the wrong diretion, again. Nice to see you close ranks though. Lastly I would like to quote for you this statement I made, "In the interest of disclosure, and because I am sure some one will leap at the chance to point out that I am also a partisan, I openly admit I am a partisan, and take with it the things (most if not all of them) that go with it." Here it is in case you think I am just throwing this in out of thin air. LinkSo Rick, rather than leap to conclusions, perhaps you could take your own advice and keep to the issues, a suggest with all due respect. C. One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
waste of tax dollars
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 2:15pm."Waste of tax dollars?" indeed, it's the opposite: There are not very many ways that our tax dollars could be better sent.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 3:20pm.Any attack on the person is ad hominem. You know it, and I know it. Dismissing Rob's comments because they he is "partisan" is, in fact, an ad hominem, because it is about the person rather than the issues. Comments about his motivations being altruistic also fit the bill.
> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
wasting money
Submitted by IFerguson on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 4:51pm.Thanks Rick
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 2:16pm.I don't understand.
Submitted by Rob Richards on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 3:38pm.Kind of like when I missed where
Submitted by Guglielmo on Tue, 01/15/2008 - 3:54pm.Although you could have phrased it better
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 6:11pm.Should Bush and Cheney be Impeached?
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 01/14/2008 - 4:28pm. »Waste of time to answer important questions?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 3:38pm. »From what I can tell
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 6:38pm.Smarter?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 8:37pm.Fiscally or time-wise?
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:07pm.implications on intelligence? waste of time?
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 8:43pm.When you stated that his colleagues are smarter that he is, did you intend to imply that Rep. Wexler isn't smart?
I guess you're only smart
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 8:47pm.You're being a jerk
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:08pm.I think an investigation
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:10pm.I think an investigation would make no difference. GW is here to stay for the next 360'ish days.
No, I don't think that rep wexler is very bright, or maybe he just feels that wasting his time in a hopeless cause is time well spent. This will not leave the floor. I'll make you the same bet I have with Jim, sound fair?
Why.
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:25pm.The question is: do you think that an investigation is warranted given the credible allegations of serious wrongdoing on the part of certain members of the Bush Administration?
Congress is corrupt. Congress doesn't represent the American people. But impeachment should be a priority. Do you disagree?
You are the most honest person I know
Submitted by Norm on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:42pm.Do I think an investigation is warranted? Yes
I don't agree that an impeachment is any kind of priority though.
My point is that I think there are far higher priorities. I would love to be an astronaut some day, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time and energy pursuing it.
go for it
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 10:03pm.Thanks for the bit about honesty. I do make a sincere and wholehearted effort to be honest and truthful - period. I think it's critical to living a good life.
I will have to disagree with you about impeachment. I think it is critical to the future of the USA to hold thorough and impartial investigations into impeachable offenses alleged to have been committed by Bush/Cheney et al..
I disagree Robert.
Submitted by Tschida on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 9:54pm.It should not be a further waste of time, born out of vitriol and bitterness. Congresss doesn't represent the fringe left any more than the fringe right. C. One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
fringe
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Wed, 01/16/2008 - 10:00pm.Chris, do you work for the Republican Party?
A sizeable faction?
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 11:03am.According to whom? The DailyKos? The HuffingPost? CodePinko? A sizable faction of Americans thinks that congress is doing a worse job than the Bush administration. If I remember correctly, a ‘sizeable faction’ re-elected Bush and Cheney than who voted to elect or re-elect Slick Willy and algore. That is the funniest thing I have seen today! Do I work for the Republican Party? No. I don't. I am starting to look at getting involved with the upcoming caucus and the process in general, but no I have no official or unofficial capacity with the Republican Party. I have to wonder though Robert, would you ask someone like Emmett O'Connell such a question? What if I was? What would you say then? I would love to know. You would of course be supportive of citizen involvement with government at all levels right? C. One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
offensive posting
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 11:18am.Yes, a sizable fraction of Americans, I remember hearing a majority, support impeachment for Cheney. This was from a mainstream news source. It's according to a Nov 13 poll by the American Research Group. 70% believe Cheney has abused his powers and 43% believe he should be impeached even before seeing the results of an investigation [source].
I was curious to know if you're a covert Republican operative, because your "waste of time" line is the same one that party officials are using.
The fact is that investigating the wrongdoing of elected officials will not be a waste of time. If they have committed crimes, then it is of ultimate importance to the health and well-being of the nation that they be held accountable!
Why is impeachment such a problem for you? Are you sure it's not something other than the "waste of time/energy" that is bothering you?
Funny stuff...
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 11:47am.Is it hard to dialogue because I give almost zero credence to your entire assumption that there are crimes to be investigated here? Or is it because you want to avoid 'going down the path' of rehashing what the so called crimes are? I think you need to look at the motives you harbor that make impeachment so important for you. If there were actually so much consensus about the need to impeach the VP, something would have happened by now. There are plenty of loons in congress that would have gotten the ball rolling. As an example of what I mean I would point to the near disastrous passing of illegal alien amnesty. There was support for it, and with the help of guys like McCain, it nearly passed. On the flip side, we have never been that close to any kind of impeachment hearings, let alone a trial. I hope that makes sense. So then after years of the fringe left harping on about this, nothing has happened. There is a reason for this. Even if you disagree with every fiber of your being, it is a waste of time for our government officials at any level to continue with this. At some point the money and time need to be spent constructively. Does this mean I think that holding politicians accountable is not important? I hope you know the answer to that. Here is a caveat just for fun. Let’s say that these tapes and e-mails that have gone missing or what ever, is an actual cover up of something criminal. Let’s further assume that the White House itself is responsible for the cover up, and was know to the VP. And based on the evidence the proof is beyond reasonable doubt, then I am all for impeachment. But that is not what is happening right now is it? No, not yet any way. Only time will tell. Lastly, would you please tell me EXACTLY what was offensive in my post? What was defensive EXACTLY? I don’t think I was offensive at all, nor do I think any thing I wrote in the post was defensive, (and yet you claim I am all over the place!) If you are going to make such a claim, (which I feel is an effort to stop the conversation) I think you need to be up front about what you are talking about. I will patiently await your reply. C. <p><strong><span><span> One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. </span></span></strong></p><p>Thomas Sowell </p>
offensiveness
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 12:06pm.What is sickening is how quick the Republicans were to impeach Clinton for lying about marital infidelity, and now we can't get an ounce of budge out of them to impeach Bush for lying about the threat Iraq posed - A lie that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.
It's just not funny.
Hmmm
Submitted by Tschida on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 4:06pm.I call it funny because I think it is. Also, I do listen. I listen very carefully. I don't think there are crimes up to this point as I said, I also left room for the future, didn't I? I have no doubts that the rest of what you said is just poppycock. A million Iraqi deaths? Please, how do you say that and claim to be serious? Quick to impeach? It took forever, and he go off didn't he? (Not counting his disbarment)Lied us into war? Why then did so many nations agree that he was harboring weapons of mass destruction? Russia, Britian, and so on? Should I mention his contravening of the worthless UN resolutions?
It is a waste of time, on this specific issue.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
poppycock
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 6:20pm.I think there are crimes. Serious crimes. We disagree. Period. End of Story.
Why did the UN inspections team find no evidence of WMD? Why was the inspections team forced to leave Iraq before their investigation was completed? Scott Ritter in Iraq
Impeachment is not a waste of time. We disagree. Period. End of Story.
I will respectfully ask you to refrain from personal attacks and name calling. What I said is not "poppycock." Do you intend to hurt my feelings? If not, you owe me an apology. If so, then I think you need to re-examine your use of OlyBlog as a tool to foster intelligent discussion and debate.
How dare you...
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 9:26am.When discussing issues here in general, and impeachment in particular, your feelings are immaterial. Are you here to have your 'feelings' affirmed or are you here to actually debate an issue? It seems with the two or three times in this specific thread that you would rather justify your feelings here and shut down any discussion of the issue because it hurts your feelings, or you find it to troublesome to 'go down that path' or 'rehash such and such a subject'. Don't confuse a personal attack with taking issue with the words you say here and questioning the veracity of them, and the conclusions you offer. I don't buy that you get to pick and choose what is and is not open for discussion. That would be a hazard of posting opinions in public, wouldn't you agree? I don't see Olyblog is a place for offering opinon for discussion and then telling others they are not welcome to have a discussion on those ideas. I am not specifically trying to change your mind. It may be easier to climb Everest; instead I am offering a counter point to the uber-left political point of view offered here. When people offer up ideas as fact, and make broad assumptions such as 'sizeable factions' support impeachment of the VP, I will refute such assumptions as I see fit. When someone uses a source such as American Research Group, who seems to be directly connected to the Clinton's I will question that too. (I am still looking at that source, but have not made up my mind yet) I very much enjoy how personal people will take someone one calling and idea 'poppycock' or clap trap. I also enjoy how assuming I am calling that person poppycock, which doesn't make any sense, as an ad hominem personal attack. I think that any clear thinking person can see that this is not how the statement was meant. I am sad to see what seems as though even questioning if not out right disagreement with the far left political point of view is somehow a personal slight to the person in question. No Robert, no apology will be forthcoming. I am not going to be sorry for questioning your public display of your political point of you. I don't know you personally, and have zero reason to think you are a bad person. I didn't attack your person or character. I am sorry to tell you that your demand for an apology is misplaced. If you would like I would be willing to sit down to a coffee with you and get to know you personally, but that is up to you. C. One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in. Thomas Sowell
again?
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:26am.how dare you
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:40am.Let me know if you're interested.
Robert,
Submitted by Tschida on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:55am.You accuse me of not listening, which is of course laughable, but this is almost over the top. I see you did not bother to read my response previously posted. Here is a quote from that comment, that you might find interesting... "If you would like I would be willing to sit down to a coffee with you and get to know you personally, but that is up to you." Link
Let me know what you think.
C.
One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.
Thomas Sowell
I did read your response
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 11:07am.When is a good time for you to meet?
The American Research Group
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 11:22am.It's a case of you impeached my president,
Submitted by JT on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 4:15pm.so I'm gonna impeach yours. Give it a rest. If you want to kick Bush's ass, you will have years to do it after he leaves office.
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
They are OUR presidents JT
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 4:51pm.A yeah, but no.
Submitted by JT on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 5:03pm."I" haven't had a prez for quite some time, and only one my entire life. All the rest sucked, some more than others.
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
Ahh.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 5:09pm.After I read JT's comment
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 5:15pm.Clinton
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:29am.Actaully Rob
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:41am.Remember I said
Submitted by JT on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 7:19am.my entire life. I wasn't born yet for Jimmy. :)
EDIT: Hey, anyone here want to buy this bridge I got?
“America passes the critical gate test. Open the gate and see where people go – in or out. This is still the country people flock to.” George Will
Link to Audio from Today's Hearing:
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 1:25am.[the audio from impeachment testimony is in the first half hour or so. It's well worth listening to.]
media information
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 01/18/2008 - 10:23am.link to video
link to more information about SJM 8016, including the bill text
page width
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 12:09am.I figured it out.
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sun, 01/20/2008 - 2:03am.It was something with Tshcida's posts. In the interest of full disclosure I changed them from full html, to filtered html. The problem went away. I apologize for any formatting issues that result. The page is now readable.
To Tschida: please don't make the page width bug out like that again.
GOOD NEWS
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Mon, 01/21/2008 - 8:39pm.