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Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 10:47am.
It seemed to me that the consensus last night was that there is a need and a desire for more housing downtown - dense urban "high rise" housing. And secondly there was consensus that the "isthmus"* is not the right place for the development of high rise buildings - for whatever purpose - and that the proposal and amendment to rezone that area should be denied swiftly and firmly.

Envision Downtown OlympiaA need for dense urban high rise living units: This need arises from ecological pressures. Our footprint as a society can be greatly reduced if we live more densely urban. On this there is wide ranging agreement. Who would disagree? Suburban sprawl has one of the most deleterious effects on ecology. It swallows up viable and useful farmland. It swallows up wilderness. It's not desirable. It's not sustainable. If we want to keep going as a culture, as a society and as a species, then we will need to "grow up." Wise and efficient land use is a major part of that equation.

Tonight's meeting also had a general agreement, if not an outright consensus, that the "isthmus" area is not the right place for tall buildings. Many people feel that this is a sacred space. It is a place where two waters meet. It is symbolic and special. The public really ought to decide how this area is used. One person felt that it would be okay to develop something there, but just not a high-rise. However, the overwhelming sentiment and general agreement was that the best use for the area would be as a park. I agree. I think it makes the most sense to simply, for starters at least, expand Heritage Park one block to the North. Relocate the businesses in between 4th and 5th, and Water St. and the bridges; then demolish the vacant buildings and expand the park.

I like the park idea because it would be a monument to nature. I think an expanded park would also serve to attract people to downtown. It would attract shoppers and residents. The park would serve as a novel feature, and its juxtaposition to the dense urban core would be striking and remarkable and help to set Olympia further apart as a forward thinking community. A community that takes its relationship with the natural-world seriously.

Maybe a good name for the park would be "Triway Two Waters Park." I like the idea of further expanding the park to the North as businesses located to the North of 4th Avenue become ready to move - in their own time of course (though with community encouragement.)

In terms of planning, it is important to think of best use. One of the most convincing reasons not to develop in this location is the likelihood of sea-level rise. Olympia already actively manages for floods during high tides. As sea-level rises, flooding will become more frequent, and it would affect the surface area around where the development is proposed. A park would be much better suited to coping with flood waters than would a multi-use high rise building. Would people want to live there if tides regularly flooded the surrounding area a few months out of the year?

In no area of the city that is flood prone should permanent structures be developed. That is just good business. We can talk of building levees and dikes. But until we take seriously our obligation to reduce output of global warming gases to sustainable levels, putting our effort into building dikes is just unethical - and foolish. We can't run up against the green giant of mother nature and expect to go without getting slapped over and over again, and eventually to have her collapse on us.

Building levees against flood waters is the wrong way to go. It pushes away something that is a consequence of our own societal behavior, something that is the result of atmospheric heating and climate change that we are causing. Perhaps the rising water would be natures attempt to cope with the imbalance we create.

Capitol Lake Capitol Center Olympic MountainsSecondly, the condominiums would block views. Views of Budd Inlet and the Olympic Mountains are a public asset. It would go against the public interest to allow private development that would relegate those views to only those who are able to afford them.

Finally, it is important to acknowledge the serious harm that this society is doing to nature. We have an opportunity to formally acknowledge that harm and accept responsibility. We can start doing something about it. We have a responsibility to encourage dense urban housing (the county or state should put a moratorium on suburban development.) And we have an opportunity right here in Olympia to make a monument to that vision. A monument to our relationship with nature. A formal place where people can be reminded that we are ultimately fighting a terrifically losing battle in humanity v. nature. Let's learn to live alongside nature. To respect it. Triway Two Waters park. Where humanity and nature meet, and become partners.

* "isthmus" in quotes b/c it's not really an isthmus. It's a peninsula. An isthmus is a land bridge. The Westside of Olympia is connected via bridges.

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Thanks,

...for the great summary of the event. Was there a general consensus where would be a good place to build housing for downtown?

mathias

einmaleins

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Location is Key

Your welcome, Mathias! I am glad to provide a summary. Hopefully it wasn't too biased! Though it's obvious that I favor the model of public "property", park-space and ecological restoration.

Amongst those who spoke to the issue of where housing ought to be developed, there seemed to be general agreement that the best places are those that will not be likely to flood given the worst-case scenario sea-level rise predictions...

One specific area that was mentioned was the Southeast part of the downtown core, in the area toward Plum Street. I think that there was a consensus (amongst last night's participants) that new buildings should not be developed in flood prone regions (but I am not sure)... I think there are a lot of people who would prefer to build where ever there is the greatest chance of financial benefit. And to deal with floods, their solution is to build dikes and levees.

I am not in favor of waiting and investing in levees and dikes. Instead - I would rather see investments in a truly sustainable economy. I would rather see us move away from dependence on fossil fuels. I want to see mass-transit. Of course, dense urban housing is a key ingredient in that sustainable living model...

I think that a park, if pursued properly, has the potential to generate economic activity. It has the potential to attract people to downtown. It would have to be a novel feature. It would have to stand out. I think a monument to nature - a monument to ecology - is just the ticket. It would be functional, and beautiful...

We need development - responsible development. We need to develop with an eye toward the future, toward the likely environment 30, 50 and 150 years from now (and beyond.)

You can probably tell, but I do enjoy this conversation. I wish that I would have applied to sit on the planning commission. I am looking forward to Tuesday's public hearing.




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It's okay to be bias.

It would seem fake if you'd try to be objective - what is objectivity anyway??

Since I'm new to town, I'm still in the discovery phase and in a big learning process about all of this and so much more in regards to Olympia.

What I would love to see, no really, would love to see - is an amazing master plan for downtown.

Someone with vision and guts and skills, should draw out what Olympia should look like, not drawing pink clouds, but a serious effort.

I believe, if the public could see something that looks beautiful, we could all rally around it and support it.

The other thought I have is my comparison to Seattle:

Vulcan, the evil corporation owned by Paul Allen from Microsoft, bought pretty much all of the South Lake Union neigborhood and turned it around. Well, there were outcrys all over town, how the evil corporation is destroying that neigborhood. But now, in hindsight, it was a great effort to connect downtown with the actual lake. The public driven Monorail failed, after spending $$$millions and he build the streetcar in record time, and now everyone is talking about extending the streetcar all over Seattle.

It's not the money that's needed, it's the realistic vision and it can happen.

Draw downtown, create a business plan, take a first step.

Sofar that's what Triway has been doing. Okay they have the money muscle behind it to actual sound serious. But please, if someone would draw a alternative plan, that could be turned into reality, something that would be really SUSTAINABLE!!!!!!!!! than I'm sure the city council would listen and the public even more.

It would sound so much more compelling to offer a serious alternative than just say: We hate Triway and the rich. (And I'm not saying that you're saying that, but if we throw people into boxes, that seems to have been the overall consesus of the nay-sayers.)

My 23 cents

mathias

einmaleins

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Tri Vo vs. Olympia

You touched on it when discussing Vulcan vs. Seattle.  I have little faith in our city as a project team.  Not because we don't have bright people either.  It's because of fat.  The middle.  It's an abyss.

I'll take a private developer, including their profit, over a municipality all day, every day.

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still people, or...

>in response Ehver Green comment about about muni fat and muni gov being an abyss<

Re: the "muni abyss" poiint-of-view

...are you referring to the idea of middle management as a business practice in general?

or

...musing about people that you suspect work for the City of Olympia that are economic vacuums?

Because, I'm assuming that if you exclude the actual permit & zoning clerks, the inspectors, drafting , illustration, & GIS technical services, and engineers (...all these folks involved with the muni design process), that there is still some folks that are involved with project management that you'd label "fat" and cut?

Personally, I never really expected the CoO to lead in design & I'd also like to see less tax holidays in general, but I know that "economic stimulus practice" is unlikely to cease, so I guess it all evens-out in the end...

 

 

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Not in general - in the case

Not in general - in the case of muni's.  I have no immediate knowledge re: specifics around the City of Olympia's employee's.  Having been a hired resource for all types of government I have personal experience here.  Anecdotal if you will.  I've never worked with our city outside of helping their detectives with computer related solutions.

Because, I'm assuming... Yes.  I'd run a streamlined project where the City of Olympia was only involved when necessary.  You touched on those roles.  Even at that, some of our process could and should be reconsidered.  This may or may not be happening, I don't know for certain.  My guess is yes, they are doing something about it.

Here's an example.  Some 24 (maybe more) months ago we were looking to build a $20 million dollar city hall.  At the time I said no way.  No chance in hell they get this done for $20 million.  Had they started the day after the idea floated it would have still cost more.

Several months go by and now it's $25 million dollars.  And remember, at this point the city hadn't yet picked a site.  Several more months pass, we finally have a site, and the cost is $31 million?

Now what's the cost?  I don't think the city has a clue what it will cost when actually built.  I've heard $35+ million [theolympian.com / HTML].  By the way, that doesn't include the cost of the land and clean-up.

I can't find the post right now but I suggested the total cost will be double the original price tag in the end.  Looks like it might go even higher.

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not sure...

... I'm getting what you're trying to say?!?

mathias

einmaleins

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Just pointing out Vulcan's

Just pointing out Vulcan's success (keepsake by the lake) and the City of Seattle's massive failure in their transportation project.

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