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Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 10:11am.
Floating idea of buying a Prius and getting the conversion so that the car can be plugged in as well as running in "hybrid" mode... ...the goal would be to have a car co-op in Oly, so that folks could schedule and check-out the car when needed. Big deal is getting members insured, and also getting the car all setup for "real world use" (I'm thinkging Class 2 hitch and nice little 2-axle trailer). I'm also interested in folks know of a car like the Prius (as well developed) that has a diesel engine (for biofuels). I'm just thinking of ways that I can use consumer credit to benefit my community, and it seems that having a local, "green" car solution might rock- ...any thoughts? Would folks use this? Would it be nice to drive to IKEA and not have to own the car?
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Yay
Submitted by Logarithm on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 11:17am.Thumbs up!
Submitted by Lawson on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 12:22pm.inquired...
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 12:50pm....with ZipCar about starting a branch down here (between the Seattle & Portland locations), but I'm thinking that perhaps just drawing up a business plan (Mathias? =) and "going for it" down here would be a good way to guage interest and viability-
There is a small business incubator in town as well and a strong EDC presence throughout Thurston County, so with a little luck and savvy, this may work.
...any ideas on collaborative funding?
(and thanks for the input so far =)
I like this idea but wonder
Submitted by Chia on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 1:14pm.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
Insurance
Submitted by rolandovich on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 1:31pm.I'm thinking "out-loud"...
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 1:33pm....and what I'm musing on is a "core" of investors who'd like to see this happen, and would establish a foundation fund to buy the car and to provide funds for maintenance and such...
...then, a group of users would lease the car for use--
--I'm "banking" on the idea that a plug-in hybrid would allow the local user community to get the most out of the car without alot of costs for fuel...
...of course, long trips that use fuel would cost more to rent, but I'm also thinking that the insurance is a missing piece to my puzzle, and I'll be looking into that coverage options.
The point is to stay as green as possible, and go for the plug-in option right-off-the-bat, but I'm sure that this service would not appeal to everybody, so...these are my thoughts =)
... to dream along...
Submitted by einmaleins on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 2:02pm.Perhaps even in the future a diverse fleet of cars:
A couple of Smart Cars for the single with a one-time trip.
The hitch and trailer option is great.
The insurance is the tricky part - and in every sense.
Getting drivers insured and getting the business insured to allow for damage to the car etc.
One way of keeping people from abusing the system, is perhaps by creating a online user account and people can give feedback about it each, leave comments and rate each other, based on how clean the vehicle is returned, etc. This seems to work pretty well online ( at ebay, amazon etc.)
First try to run the numbers with the prospect that to should be a profitable business venture - cause than it will be sustainable!! If those numbers are outrages - too high, start looking at alternatives.
mathias
einmaleins
biofuel?!?
Submitted by einmaleins on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 2:35pm.Biofuel has gotten so much bad press lately - not sure if that is the way to go!?
Diesel- yes! Volkswagen is coming out with new TDI's this summer.
Perhaps you could get a car from a carmaker/dealership and get a deal if you advertise for them - big print on sides.
that might even be a possiblity for other businesses. I might advertise on the car with einmaleins.
mathias
einmaleins
check-out...
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 4:18pm....SAAB.
I dunno about the "press", I read Google and then call myself =)
Algae is the "way to go" and I have an 2000 Ranger that is "flex-fuel", so I'm interested in the "buzz", but I agree...the way to go on this is with the Prius and the aftermarket plug-in upgrade-
-that way the local trips are electricity only (no fuel burned)...longer trips get more costly, but hat is understandable.
The "crux" is the insurance (full comp.), and it is really no big deal (I am receiving quotes already).
Further thoughts on the "biz" structure:
approach the NWCDC for guidance, and look at the IRS rate per mile:
NWCDC
IRS rate
...idea is to charge IRS rate & run the business as a nonprofit (which allows plenty of "room" and benefits versus commercial enterprise).
So, glad to see the interest, and I'm still moving forward.
Insurance
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 4:46pm.We share a Prius with our friends down the street (but they own another car too, so they own 1.5 and we own 1). It works great for us; we pro-rate all the expenses according to miles driven, which we track in a little notebook.
But getting the insurance took a lot of looking around. Finally, we have two people on the policy and two people insured as additional drivers. It might be easier with a corporation as the owner?
Best,
Thad
sweet comment
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 5:14pm.Thank you very much for sharing Thad...
...hopefully I will get a good rate quote.
...and "way to go" on the partnership with friends ( in my book, that is really commendable, "pro-active", and a great way to lead-by-example).
>cheers<
PS
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 9:19pm.Hey Thad
Submitted by enpen on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 9:23pm.Would you be interested in writing a sort've HowTo about this process for OlyBlog? I wonder how many more people would seriously look into doing a neighbor/friend car share if they realized they didn't have to reinvent French Toast...
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
great call enpen!
Submitted by chad360 on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 9:52pm.A how-to overview
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Tue, 07/01/2008 - 10:14am.From The Relocalization Network, a web project run by the Post Carbon Institute to support local initiatives - they have a small set of Project Guides like this about interesting things one might do.
Start a Car-Sharing Coop
How we share a Prius
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:41am.At first I thought there wasn't much to tell - we just did it... But that's not quite right.
We bought the car second-hand, and split the price ($5,000 or so each). We keep a little book in the side pocket and each time you get in the car you enter the mileage before you drive off, if you're switching from one household to the other. (If your household drove it the last time it was driven, you just keep driving.) When you put gas in, or take it to the garage, you enter what you spent in the book. One of us enters this stuff in a spreadsheet, and we split all the expenses according to how much each household has driven.
Problems?
It works fine for us - but as you can see, a number of things help it make it easy which aren't part of every possible car share.
Wow...
Submitted by The Original Yoda on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:43am.Seconded
Submitted by Logarithm on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:34am.