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Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 7:51am.
There is an excellent write up in The Olympian today about the recent activity of the Nazis in the Nortwest. Go read the whole thing. One important point that Latson makes is that the Olympia police expect that there will be direct confrontation and possibly violence:
I think Bjornstad underestimates Olympia. It is the expressed goal of the Nazis to draw us into some kind of nasty behavior (I've got the emails to prove it). But we don't have to play that game. We can make our own rules. Humor is the best approach in this situation, and I'm very glad to hear that we're moving forward on that front. One other very important point: it is crucial at this time for all of the groups planning a response to band together and establish a coordinated plan to include everyone. If, through acting independently, the various response groups don't get everyone involved, we run the risk of there being a group of people at the protest who are not associated in either a coordinated direct action (e.g., ridicule and mockery) or a separate demonstration (e.g., singing, dancing, education, speeches). If the Nazis can draw these unassociated folks in to a confrontation, they will. I call on the leaders of the response groups to meet , decide together how best to coordinate the different response plans so that they include the maximum number of people, and work hard to publicize the ways that people can join in and participate. |
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I wonder if the Olympia Polic
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 9:20am.I remember Black Lake Boulevard being tied up all afternoon while our local police agencies watched. Allegedly, the next year they weren't going to let that happen. And then it did...
The OPD is unlikely to be inv
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 12:47pm.Sure. Intentional confrontat
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 1:53pm.Sure. Intentional confrontation is one thing. The thing I'm concerned about is unintentional confrontation between Nazis and people who get caught up in their hate message. It seems to me that the best way to avoid this kind of altercation (which doesn't do anybody but the Nazis any good) is to make sure everyone is hooked up with a group, and is working intentionally in some way.
So my question is, for those people who are not already in the network, how do they get involved in the action of their choosing?
Most problems I've seen on te
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 2:11pm.Is this going to be discouraged?
Like the internet, anonymity is both a positive and negative. People feel more free to say what is on their mind, but they are also more free to become part of the Violent Mob.
I'm actually kind of curious to see how all of this will turn out.
It's funny, how totally separ
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Tue, 03/07/2006 - 12:34pm.That is a good point -- about
Submitted by Rick on Tue, 03/07/2006 - 2:12pm.Cops will usually say they're
Submitted by DrewHendricks on Wed, 03/08/2006 - 2:30pm.Raccoons don't show up in you
Submitted by Sylvester P. Smythe on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 2:52pm.Oh, but that won't be your fault... You can just keep trying to rationalize away your part in it all... Keep believing... attack anyone who suggests otherwise true believers.
You're new here. Here's your
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 3:23pm.You're new here. Here's your one warning: personal attacks will not be tolerated. If you don't have something to offer to the debate, then don't bother. Get your own blog. They're free.
The short version: "Play the ball, not the man."
Now, you might be tempted to say something like: "But what about taunting the Nazis? Those were personal attacks!" Well, the Nazis have posted my name on their "hit" list, so a little mockery is justified. I feel like the Nazis want us to fear them. Well, I think they're hilarious, and if I can inoculate the community from being afraid of a bunch of severly misguided wankers, then it is a public service, ain't it?
Now, to address the 10% of your post which raises a point: people are going to show up to protest. No matter what, folks will be there. If we tell them to stay home, they won't listen. Now, it seems to me that the best approach, for this and many other reasons that you can read about on this and other blogs, is to plan a coordinated response. It is my belief that this approach will result in the least likelihood of violence. If you don't want to join in, offer a suggestion, or make an informative comment, then stay home. I'm tired of the blame the victim b.s.
I did not attack any person.
Submitted by Sylvester P. Smythe on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 3:40pm.A point of view is not a person. There is a fundamental difference between attacking a point of view (part and parcel of any argument) and attacking a person.
By your (wide) definition, you just attacked me. I however, do not ascribe to the view that attacking a point of view is a personal attack. Also, as I said before, counter-protesters are not victims. Calling them such cheapens real victims.
Do you need me to explain the
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 4:40pm.Do you need me to explain the meaning of the word "you"? Or can you figure that one out by yourself?
As you may have noticed, there are lots of different opinions here on Olyblog. We seem to get by most of the time without the kind of baiting that you've engaged in. If you need lessons in how to be civil, then don't bother posting.
"You" in context refers to th
Submitted by Sylvester P. Smythe on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 5:19pm.This is called, "reading in context." Though you have attacked me personally here. Civilized people call your actions "hypocrisy." I wash my hands of you. You may keep your precious board free of any thoughts or opinions that stray too far from your own.Please delete my user account. Hail Victory! Down with unpopular views!
We seem to be talki
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 7:09pm.We seem to be talking past each other here. I admit, I did let my buttons get pushed. I'm VERY tired of being blamed for bringing the Nazis here. I'll just say that I don't think we're causing (provoking, enticing, etc) the Nazis to come here, and leave it at that (still p.o.'d about it, I guess).
You are welcome here at Olyblog, where we do, in fact, have a wide diversity of opinion.
Nazi's Need Hugs - Not Drugs!
Submitted by Milagro on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 3:53pm.I wonder how they will respond to ridicule. I know how I would. I would feel hurt, then possibly angry. But certainly, I would feel more alienated than I possibly might have felt before.
What types of behavior might I display in an alienated condition?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I'm not sure how much it matt
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 4:45pm.I found this story in the boo
Submitted by olyrickm on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 6:16pm.Exactly! Better living throu
Submitted by Rick on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 7:11pm.