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Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 1:22pm.
Almost every week this is the "What's on the city council's plate this week" review. I don't cover everything, so if you want the full rundown, read the packet and agenda yourself.
» Remember the debate around the proposed public art for the new city hall? Boy, that was fun, wasn't it? With everything big thing the city builds (capital projects), some of the money goes to public art. Which is a great idea, but then you get stuck debating the quality of the proposed art. Now, with the city moving to do a major remake of Boulevard Road (about time), they're considering what kind of public art will go into the project. Specifically, the roundabout at Log Cabin and Boulevard. Check it out:
Here's the artist's description:
The process to approve this art included six seperate steps, including two to bring in the neighbors of the site. More from the artist:
Here's the staff report (sorry, pdf, scribd isn't working today) and the letter from the artist.
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I'm fine with the art
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 1:47pm.full disclosure
A Gentle Criticism
Submitted by stevenl on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 2:03pm.A fun concept. The artist has used the venue in a creative and clever way.
My only reservation is that this would be considered too interesting for drivers with Liberal Arts degrees, and they would focus more on the art piece than on their driving. So I would suggest making the work minimalist with not so much detail.
But this proposal is nowhere near the threat to public safety that some people pose when they wave signs at busy intersections promoting products commercial and political.
few Liberal Artists
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 2:14pm.full disclosure
Don't Count On It
Submitted by stevenl on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 2:25pm.I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Laurian on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 3:31pm.Hmmm
Submitted by stevenl on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 3:50pm.Personally I always enjoyed the bulldozer on top of an upright log genre, which I used to see in Oakville (now gone) and somewhere on Hood Canal. Simple, traffic safe, and very Washingtonian.
Your suggestion is pretty wonderful. But I'm afraid such a design would also stop traffic and make drivers screech on the brakes and stare in ope-mouthed awe, resulting in chain-collisions.
Don't foget
Submitted by Laurian on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 2:00pm.mail boxes welded atop massive high rigging blocks.
I'd like to see the logs be taller, say 12 to 16 feet. At eight feet I fear a Spinal Tap Stonehenge ball up.
But seriously, I really like the idea. Perhaps the artist has some ideas for the new city hall artwork.
The view approaching...?
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 8:40am.For drivers, at least, it seems as if the main experience of this project will be approaching it. (I certainly won't be looking out the side window admiring it up close while I'm trying to navigate that roundabout! The person on that side of the back seat can, of course...)
Given that, I'd like to see a little more thought given to how the poles are placed in the roundabout. Having them evenly around the edge seems like a simple, but not very interesting spatial arrangement to me, and I don't think it will make them look very interesting spatially as you're driving up to the roundabout with a little time and energy free to actually pay attention to them... Perhaps the Council could ask the artist and staff to discuss rearranging them in some clusters that would make more interesting spaces?
Best,
Thad
Stonehenge!
Submitted by emmettoconnell on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 8:46am.full disclosure
stonehenge
Submitted by Berd on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 8:51am.I am interested to know if the placement of these cedar pole 'monoliths' will be astronomically relevant. Will they align in such a way as to celebrate the alignments of the planets?
Some extra effort could make this installation into something that is very outstanding and relevant, artistically and spiritually.
Roundabout Stonehenge
Submitted by Berd on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 2:26pm.After thinking more about this, the juxtaposition of a 'stonehenge' like monument to the roadway, in particular a roadway feature that is designed to make it so people don't have to stop, is ironic.
I am not exactly sure what I think about it. But it sure is a statement about culture. A drive-by stonehenge.
After thinking more, I was initially offended by the idea. But now I can see that there is probably a fairly large amount of humor involved in the whole idea.
Including 'stonehenge' in the title and description is thought-provoking.
Nice inclusive process
Submitted by SMASH on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 12:08am.I like how the artist was mindful of environment and history and the "vocabulary of images" meaningful to neighbors. This is a much more responsible way to go about a public art project.
I do agree with Bert that a Stonehenge-like monument in a spot where people aren't supposed to go is a little strange... it might be more appropriate in a park. But I don't think it's objectionable in a roundabout.
Personally,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:49am.Decreasing visibility
Submitted by Guglielmo on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 1:32pm.from one side of the roundabout to the other is probably helpful. You shouldn't be looking there anyway. You should be looking to your left when entering.
As for the appropriateness of the Stonehenge theme, not sure we know enough about the real Stonehenge to make that judgment. It might just as easily been a place you steered clear of unless you were going there to get buried. Now that seems rather fitting for a roundabout.
I like it, though I agree with Thad about it's excessive symmetry. But perhaps clever landscaping can mitigate that.
Speaking of Stonehenge.
I like it BECAUSE it is incongruous
Submitted by Laurian on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 1:33pm.and makes people think.
In the Downtown Together meetings there was a smattering of discussion about towns in England, Germany and the Netherlands (I think) that are removing driving signage and erasing the physical barriers between motorized and non-motorized traffic. What has been found is counter intuitive. Accident rates actually decrease when motorists loose the sense of entitlement and are forced to negotiate with each other and with pedestrians and bike riders.
I do not know how applicable such efforts are to this particular proposal. I just wanted to raise this line of thought.
In British Adventure Playgrounds too
Submitted by Thad Curtz on Sat, 06/20/2009 - 8:46am.Children have fewer accidents when their parents are not allowed to hang around supervising and worrying about them than when their parents are there. (According to Christopher Alexander, in A Pattern Language.)
Best,
Thad