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Submitted by Chia on Wed, 04/30/2008 - 7:16am.Don't eat meat, ride a bike...that's how you can brake global warming, the head of the United Nation's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change said...
What's the music?
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 9:47am.Arrested on May Day
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 3:23pm.Things getting a little hot at 5th and Water Street.
Go get the scoop, G!
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 3:34pm.Things cooled down
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 3:35pm.Throwing rocks through
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 3:39pm.Gee - where'd I hear of that crap happening before?
Mayday Riot!
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 3:55pm.There's no one there to lock out...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 4:04pm.I believe...
Submitted by jlw on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 4:05pm.U.S. Bank and Bank of America
Submitted by Rob Richards on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 4:33pm.I was downtown
Submitted by Katherine on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 5:07pm.talking to Mr. Mapp of Danger Room when we saw a OPD officer on a bike apprehend someone in the Diamond Lot by the Indian restaurant. A customer came round the corner and said he was just at the bank (BoA), heard glass break and people start flooding out of the bank and yelling "get down!". The May Day march had just come by and we guessed that someone had broken a window. The streets were filled with police cars and officers really quickly. As I pulled away, I saw the paddy wagon on 5th in front of the bank and a bunch of May Day marchers grouped near by. Two windows had rock sized holes through them.
It must have been scary for people in the bank not knowing what had just come through the window. And, as it is a bank, does that mean there could be federal charges? Anyone know?
What the Fuck!?!
Submitted by Laurian on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:07pm.May Day is about Workers, not poseurs. Demeaning the struggles of working people by taunting the cops and breaking bank windows is bullshit. Get the Hell out of my neighborhood and go trash your own if that's what May Day means to you Punk Asses.
Hard Core! Anarchy in the USA! Dude, standin' up to The Man will sooo get ya laid tonight. Anti-Reagan and stuff man YEA!
What the Hell we're they thinking!?! Oh right, THEY WERE NOT THINKING! Oh this makes me so pissed. I'm not sure I'll be able to stomach any rationalizations for the actions of a Mob.
I support direct action. I support civil disobedience. I support the Port Resistance. I loath corporate amerika. I've worked for ACORN, Greenpeace, SANE/Freeze, and more than a few election campaigns. I've been active in politics longer than a 25 year old had been alive.
In that time I've learned pissing off the local cops does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to promote peace and justice. It sends potential allies running for the doors. It leaves excellent left wing activism like Camp Quoxite (sp?) vulnerable. Shit like this makes you, (I started to write the Progressive community but a Mob is in no way Progressive) look like the nihilistic, spoiled fools you are.
Damn right I'm angry. Rightfully so.
I hear ya Laurian
Submitted by Sarah on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:21pm.Demeaning the struggles of working people by taunting the cops and breaking bank windows is bullshit.
I fully agree.
I agree!
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:53am.I did not attend because I would have gotten too mad.
I stayed home and worked on my yard and garden, and helped a friend get some woodchips over to the place where her Mom rents to use in the garden.
I think this "WTO"-style "activism" should stop...
...what justifies throwing rocks through windows?
Violence is the tool of small minds.
Wanna change the world?
Form economic collectives and buy housing, then invest in local food production, and finally, begin the cooperative investment in manufacturing & commercial services that align with political goals.
It is not "rocket science", but I guess that small minds can't stay focused on real goals and just prefer to "go off" now & then in often violent ways.
Incredible....
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 6:29pm.I'm going to say this much and then bow out. I've lived in town for a year and there have been three riots or mini riots. OTOH, I was expecting something like this from fringe elements this sort of crowd attracts.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Riots?!
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:14pm.Riots yes...
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:17pm.The port protest and Evergreen. Remember? :-) I also used the phrase "mini riots" At any rate I have seen more civil disturbance here in 6 months than I did during two years in Seattle... I'm glad I spent the day in Lacey. I try to stay far far away from downtown when there is a chance violent fringe elements may act up...
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Sorry dude
Submitted by Guglielmo on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:22pm.Huh?
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:34pm.I never said it was frightening. It is unseemly, plus there is no reason to be in a place where a greater likelyhood for violence is present. Common sense to me. Some may like watching riots civil unrest, but I choose to stay away.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.I've been in and had ties to
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 7:59pm.I've been in and had ties to Olympia for a much longer period of time and - as I've said before - there's an element out there that continues to push the envelope.
And I don't care what anyone has to say, two days ago The Olympian ran photos and an article on its front page in connection to the skirmish at The Evergreen State College. Tomorrow? I'm thinking it's going to be the individual in black throwing a rock through the bank window. Every Working Joe in the South Sound - and I'm sure once it's picked up by AM radio, western Washington - is going to chalk another one up to a state funded institution and start asking their state representatives to do something about it.
Current students and alumni of The Evergreen State College would be best served if they started to reign in their radical element while they still can. Sooner or later, it's going to be done for them at a higher echelon.
Ya know
Submitted by security_six on Thu, 05/01/2008 - 8:06pm.I think you are the first person I've heard today tie greeners and the activities downtown today together. I wonder if the rock throwers were greeners, or simply idiots in black clothes? I'm betting the latter rather than the former... As far as the protest in the governor's office, I got bored listening to their repetitive chants and turned it off.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.I think you are the first
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:21am.At this point, it's irrelevent whether or not they're Evergreen students.
I promise you that people who have lived in the area for a long enough time - especially those who have lived in Olympia before TESC was around (a group of which I am not a part of) - are going to draw their own conclusions.
Perception is reality.
I figured
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:25am.It was out of towners myself. Honestly, this stuff has become commonplace enough where I don't lose much sleep over it anymore. A few windows broken, some pepper spray, some incoherent comments about police brutality... ehh.... I'm getting my boat fixed, having fun at work, and enjoying the sunshine. Let the fringe elements battle.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.It was out of towners
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:27am.So then the next question is: Does The Evergreen State College foster an environment for these incidents to - repeatedly - take place?
Interesting question
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:35am.What I'm still trying to figure out is why I really dont' give a rip about this whole thing... usually I'll get wound up about this sort of event.
I do believe the permissive enviroment of TESC may foster some of this. I spoke with a woman who graduated from TESC "back in the day" and said TESC was never like it is know when she went there.
I think there is a potentially dangerous element at TESC, which has already shown itself in the likes of Bohmer and his followers. Dissent is good, but this psuedo revolution crap has got to stop. I don't think these idealists with little or no real world experience understand what is going on, and they think a few people breaking windows and scrawling graphitti will change things, will cause people to rally behind them.
The only cure for that is a dose of the world outside their carefully manicured campus and textbooks. I have no idea the political slant of the teaching there, but I'm willing to bet there is a fair bit of socialist leaning.
One thing, I don't have a firm idea of what the heck a liberal arts college is for. It has always looked to me like a place one goes to if they want a degree of dubious economic value. I know I'm wrong on this, but my leanings have always been towards technical training. If the state funded instituions here would respect all of my civil liberties I would probably take a few creative writing classes at TESC. However I don't have to surrender my rights just to have some guy tell me how he thinks I should learn something. I can buy books... but I'm wandering off course. Sorry. Tired and cranky :-)
So yes, I think TESC does play a role in the current counterculture of Olympia. In fact I think they are the breeding ground for it.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.from crooksandliars.com
Submitted by Rob Richards on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:19am.Wow:
There’s also a march planned.
The Olympian:Bjornstad said
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 3:33am.The Olympian:
That cell phone - like a radio - is your lifeline.
You dish out punishment that is vicious and quick when people try to cut off your lifeline.
When you can still yell to the other cops who are
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 7:43am.Ummm
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:11am.Two cops, one was cuffing and detaining a guy and was occupied with something, the other one had his only connection to the station grabbed. So one officer can't drop what he is doing, and now all of a sudden dispatch has no idea what is happening... plus this person has just attacked a cop, of course you chase after him. Oh yes, did I mention he just commited a violent act?
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Were you there?
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:30am.Standard response
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:35am.If someone were to try and snatch my communications, I would chase them too. Obviously there was enough police presence where the officer felt comfortable chasing the guy down and leaving his partner with the other person.
From what I understand using force against a bank is a felony, and it is quite proper to persue a felon, especially if they have been using weapons. Also I don't know what charges taking a cop's phone carries, but that also probably justifies a pursuit.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.I have it on good authority
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 3:19pm.I have it on good authority that when the 911 call was being made by the plainclothes officer, they were the only two law enforcement officers in the crowd.
I'd sure like to read some 1st hand accounts
Submitted by Laurian on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 4:32am.First Hand Account
Submitted by jlw on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:39pm.From The Olympian:Councilman
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 7:49am.Good for him... sorta
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:05am.Good for Hyer for having the brass to stand up to these rock throwing criminals. SHAME on him for being willing to consider making Oly a safe place for border crossing criminals. Illegal Aliens are here ILLEGALLY. Send them back, don't mollycoddle them. Jeez...
Life's a reach, then you jibe.Now that I look at it - it
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 3:20pm.What ever dude.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:52am.I was responding to "You dish out punishment that is vicious and quick." Law enforcement is not supposed to punish people (and certainly not in a vicious way). Punishment is the job of our criminal justice system (if you actually agree with every paragraph in that silly constitution of ours).
LIG
You aren't very good at this, "This is my last word..." stuff ;)
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 9:10am.I forgot.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 9:18am.I hear that happens at your age =)
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 9:31am.how did this get out of control?
Submitted by chad360 on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 10:42am.Why did the local "activists" let "black-hats" march with them?
I'd really like to hear from someone on the local activist bandwagon speak-up about the rock-throwing & marking of the halls in the Capital?
Why is this kind of behavior OK?
Why is this kind of behavior OK?
Submitted by Norm on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 12:34pm.The rock throwing is not okay
Submitted by Sarah on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:09pm.The rock throwing was not okay, at all.
And I wasn't there.
If I had been there, would shouting at the rock throwers to stop have done anything helpful? I have a feeling that they could give a f*ck what I or other peaceful progressives think or feel.
If I had been there, how would I and others "remove" the rock throwers? I'm not a vigilante. If I'd been working as a peace keeper my first action would be to communicate fast with others what is happening, get those safe that I can, while contacting the authorities.
My guess is that local cops would not want me diving in to somehow try to stop the rock throwers. And if I insisted I'd likely be arrested also
I'm hearing and reading from many peaceful progressives that the rock throwing was not at all okay.
I myself am pissed off, furious, and saddened.
One can use
Submitted by security_six on Fri, 05/02/2008 - 8:58pm.appropriate force to aprehend someone commiting a misdemeanor act in your presence. You must have witnessed said misdemeanor to aprehend someone. For a felony, you may use necessary and appropriate force to stop or aprehend someone you have witnessed committing a felony act, or have reasonable cause to believe commited a felony act. That said, one must tread with caution detaining or aprehending someone. In some cases it is not worth the bother, and in others it is too risky, especially in a protest or demonstration.
As a general rule, use necessary and appropriate force to prevent grave loss of property (arson, etc...) loss of life, or severe bodily harm. Unless I was standing right next to one of the rock throwers and could put my rather long arms around the person I wouldn't have bothered. A credible and reliable witness is often the most valuable thing.
Personally, a call to law enforcement and maybe a calm and impassioned plea for peace would be the best thing to do under the circumstances that happened. If I saw someone starting a fire, or lobbing rocks and people or cars, I would try and intervene, both for my own safety and that of others. Pepper spray, or a simple tackle does wonders in crowds, but I would have made a call to 911 first to make sure help was coming.
Shooting in a crowd is a recipe for disaster most of the time.
Life's a reach, then you jibe.The Olympian:"Fearing for
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 5:49am.The Olympian:
I've mentioned it following both the November protesting and Evergreen Dead Prez concert and saw someone bring it up - again - following this event.
If these types of actions continue, there's going to be an instance where a police officer is going to get backed into a corner to the point where they feel it is necessary to use a firearm.
I don't think a lot of these kids realize what they are doing is not an exercise confined to a lecture. They're taking part in activities which - quite literally - can carry grave consequences.
And then when it does happen, they're going to be looking around and wondering to themselves, What happened?
Amen
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 10:07am.Independent Verification of Olympian's Account
Submitted by The Fire Inside on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:05pm.Seattle IndyMedia:
Yup
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 6:26pm.And I wish to be nowhere near when it does happen. If the tornado can wait a couple more months my boat will be fixed. Or God willing something happens to defuse the ticking time bomb that is becoming Olympia.
Protect yourself. Stop the predator. Reload. Dial 911.