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Submitted by security_six on Tue, 02/12/2008 - 10:08pm.

Not trying to stir up crap here, if I wanted to do that, I would enroll in a class and call my lawyer...

But ever since I moved here I cannot get a feel for TESC.  It is odd to say the least.  Going through their catalog online today,  I see a strong emphasis on "liberal" issues and slants for lack of a better turn of phrase, in fact going through their catalog it would seem to nearly be a hostile enviorment for someone like me who leans a bit right of center on some things.  

The "vibe" I get from TESC students sometimes is odd, and I really can't describe it, except I don't think everyone there is as progressive and open minded as they may fancy themselves to be.

Honestly I have toyed with taking a few odd classes here and there, although nothing that would realistically further my education.  In fact I'm not sure how much I can get there that has real world applications for what I am interested in.  I guess if I wanted to study theatre and how natives, women and other minorites get oppressed while learning Marxism it would be the right place.  And it looks like a good place for someone who wants to get involved in state government, but for more mainstream pursuits?

Someone please tell me what the heck TESC is all about.   

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Go check it out yourself...

...before you start with the stereotypes.


> It's OK to be nice. <
enpen's social contract
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Urgh

I'm on their webpage right now, and the whole thing seems weird. 

Hence a request for info.  Somehow I didn't think you would actually respond to a request for info or explanation.  How about telling me why my perceptions are wrong stereotypes?  Everytime I get on the 41 bus, I see about a dozen or more of those stereotypes...  And that is where I see most greeners.

So tell me what is special thing about TESC, and dissuade me of the notion it would not be a very friendly enviorment for someone with my political beliefs, because I don't get many greeners willing to accept me with an broad and open mind.  It usually stops and starts with my advocacy and how horrible a person I am.  

There are a handful of "useless" (as far as any technical skills I want to further" classes I would be maybe interested in taking for the heck of it, but I cannot see the place as acceping the diversity I would bring.  (Without or without being lawfully armed, that is an issue for the lawyers, but the mindset I have, my belief system does not seem to fit with their "openness", or that is the vibe I have gotten.)

I don't want the sales brochure version of TESC, I sell stuff too.  I want to hear from real people, not ad copy.

Sell me on why I should spend my hard earned taking a class or two there. 

 

The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe

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Instead of 'steretypes' why don't you try seeing them as people?

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Sticky keyboard

 The  O sticks sometimes.  I never said I didn't see them as people.  A lot of them are in a culture not my own, which is fine.  I simply diversity and open thinking.  That is why I am trying to share how I currently see TESC, and am asking for information to support or not support the current views I have.  This is your opportunity to convince me, nitpicking doesn't help.

The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe

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Maybe start with 'professors' like Larry Mosqueda

One of the great non sequiturs of the left is that, if the free market doesn't work perfectly, then it doesn't work at all-- and the government should step in.

Thomas Sowell

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here ya go

www.evergreen.edu
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It's called a Liberal Arts college for a reason.

TESC is a college like any other, with a diverse student body. There are many politically conservative students there. Mostly, it's like any other college. It's all about education.

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Evergreen

Is a leader in western bacteriophage research.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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A couple of years ago.

My friend who is a professor there invited me to sit in on one of his classes over the summer. There was a woman in that class who held the opinion that when we capture Mexicans crossing the border, we should execute them on the spot and put their bodies on pikers at the border as a warning to other Mexicans thinking of trying to cross. She was not run out of class or ostracized in any way. She continues to go school there full time. I don't think (I could be wrong), that you have any views that are that extreme one way or another. If you want to take classes there, then take classes there.

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Like I said

Considering it, and the greeners I have talked with haven't always helped my perceptions.  Maybe I'm not extreme enough :-)
It's a pretty odd structure, and that is the other thing I am trying to get a feel for.  Looking over the curriculum, it would not be my first choice if I actually wanted to get a degree in something that did not start with liberal whatever....  Some odd classes though like I say.

 

 

The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe

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Evergreen is a mixed bag

I've been attending Evergreen for a couple of years now, and you really can't generalize about the place. That's not to say a number of your perceptions about some of the students aren't correct, but they don't apply to Greeners as a whole. And I'll be the first to admit there are various programs at Evergreen that I don't see the point of either, but Evergreen isn't just advanced gamelan and experimental Antarctican-American-GLBT theater. If you pick the right courses, you can get a seriously rigorous education, and many students do (and with the narrative evaluation system, nobody can accuse you of benefiting from grade inflation either). My wife is a software engineer, and a good one, even if (being a Greener grad) she does officially have a BA in Liberal Arts rather then in Computer Sciences.
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What "Greeners" do you talk to?



Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Academia

Six,

I think some of your experiences here on Olyblog will have trained you for the adventures that you are contemplating.   I spent two years at SPSCC as a student and then worked there for almost 10 years.  I sometimes think that environment had a role in why I don't back up very well.  I did find that academia is one of the most close-minded segments of our society.  But I do think you are tough enough to survive it.   Go for it!!!!

Jeff Brigham


"America’s greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come."
President Ronald Reagan
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I'm glad that you don't back down to closed-mindedness...

...accepting open-mindedness is good too, huh?

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Yes it is, Yoda

Yes, it is Yoda.   That is one of the reasons I am here.   I'm glad that you are also working on your acceptance of open-mindedness.  We do have something in common!

Jeff Brigham


"America’s greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come."
President Ronald Reagan
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Tongue nicely placed in cheek...

"I think some of your experiences here on Olyblog will have trained you for the adventures that you are contemplating"

I sense a resentment of sorts here.  Considering that Olyblog is not a mandatory participation, I can't understand why certain people come here daily.

Kinda like going to a house of ill repute and complaining about all the sex going on.

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Heh!

Hey, Larry, somebody's gotta go to the whorehouse to "monitor" the disgusting, sinful degradations that occur there, since God himself can't bear to look.

This world's crazy, give me the gun. -- P.J. Harvey

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First I'll write up an

First I'll write up an independent contract on *house monitoring, get my bachelors, intern at first and then make it my full-time passion.

* Hey, wasn't there a complaint a few months ago that the double-you Aitch word was inappropriate and hurtful even in a joking context? I seem to remember a mini-eruption over the word "attention *****"

Now take a little while to find your way in here
Now take a little while to make your story clear.

Nick Drake

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Your somewhat limited experience

at a community college probaby does not entitle you to draw such sweeping claims about "academia." Realy now, it's hardly representative. Your conclusion must be based on an additional element of projection on your part.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Yes, my 12 years of

Yes, my 12 years of experiences there do entitle me to comment about academia.  My comment was right on point with some of the concerns mentioned by Six.  I am pretty sure he will run into some of the same.

Jeff Brigham


"America’s greatest chapter is still to be written, for the best is yet to come."
President Ronald Reagan
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Who said anything about entitlement?

You are entitled to say anything you wish. You are entitled to comment about "city life" based on the 12 years you've lived in Yelm.  I am commenting on your error.  That is, generalizing from a very narrow, parochial sample of "academia."

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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Jeff,

I couldn't agree more with your comment.

"I did find that academia is one of the most close-minded segments of our society."

"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…. Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world ever." Canadian Environment Minister Christine Stewart

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I had a pretty good experience at Evergreen

In three years or so, I got to study Shakespeare, the music dramas of Wagner, Surrealism, Romanticism, Poetry, Creative Writing, The Greeks, Post Modernism and Maori Mythology.

If you don't see anything you like you can get a faculty sponsor and do an individual contract. Then you could study whatever you want!

You should go to the "Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven Seminar" just to see what seminar is all about. It's pretty cool.

And don't worry. Real students at Evergreen are always open minded. You can't learn otherwise.

 

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My girlfriend got her

My girlfriend got her Bachelors there: she's Christian, Pro-Life, hates dreadlocks, showers everyday, is white. Then I had a friend who left after her first semester; she got tired of her professors and fellow students badgering her with the idea that her desire to wear fashionable clothes and dress Business-Conservative made her some kind of slave to a system. Now she makes $$$ at Microsoft.

There's good and bad there, same as any other college. For every professor you wish would have a meteor land on his head there's one you'd give your eyeteeth for an opportunity to take their class. For every student you wish the MIB would make disappear there's 100 you wouldn't have a problem with.

As someone already pointed out the college is Liberal Arts, but remember the second key word is "art". If you don't want to take one of their Masters Programs then it's your responsibility to map out what your goal is and how the classes you choose will get you there.

Now take a little while to find your way in here
Now take a little while to make your story clear.

Nick Drake

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Good Grief: Liberal Arts for Dummies

Read this.

Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.! --John Maynard Keynes
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I took some courses at Evergreen...

...that I need for a Washington state teaching credential. Expecting a "hippie school," I was surprised to discover that my instructors were very demanding with respect to attendance, punctuality, and following assignment guidelines to the letter, much more so than the instructors I had at NYU and at Bennington College. Most classes required a great deal of reading, as well. I heard about those underwater basketweaving classes that it was impossible to fail, but I certainly never took one.

This world's crazy, give me the gun. -- P.J. Harvey

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The rest of the country loves TESC

The toughest, and most knee jerk, critics of TESC reside with in about a 100 mile raidus of the school. Travelling to NYU for a conference a few years back, I was astonished to find an asst. dean waxing about how great TESC was and how she was trying to get her daughter to apply. I spent most of my time at Evergreen writing individual contracts, working with people and professors who inspired me and could add to my learning. The couple of 'regular' classes I did take were demanding, heavy on reading, heavy on discourse and mostly light on the rhetoric. I have found that people who succeed at Evergreen are people with a decent amount of self-motivation, who are interested in the process of learning as well as the outcome, and strong critical thinkers. That said, I on occassion meet an alum whose very status as a graduate of TESC makes me vomit a little in my mouth. The off-base stereotypes did indeed start somewhere.
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When I attended Bennington College...

...every time they hiked up the tuition, people threatened to transfer to Evergreen. I think one person even did it. People complain about TESC's tuition, but it's a great deal compared to similarly structured private institutions.

This world's crazy, give me the gun. -- P.J. Harvey

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Thanks guys

It is nice to hear from a broad group about TESC...  The place still strikes me as weird and ovely leftist, but like I say there are a couple of classes that have my attention.  If I keep reading their catalog, I will have to be calling my lawyer after all :-) 

 

The story so far: In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people mad and been widely regarded as a bad idea. -The Restaurant at the end of the Universe

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So many stories...

....even some older ones that my parents/relatives tell. Two girlfriends that have gone, one might still be there. I remember going to their library for a class project in high school, and feeling very strange just being in the presence of some of the folks in that library.

Go at your own risk, and if you do decide to go, let us all know how it goes. Not my cup of tea though.

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Count your luck stars Norm

When I attended Western in the fall of 1969 MOST of us probably would have made you feel strange, but we've mostly outgrown it. 

Welcome to college life.  Young people do young minded things.

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What we do at Evergreen

I'm a student at Evergreen, and I have to say that growing up in the Olympia/Lacey area it was the last place I wanted to go for college. It has such an intense reputation in the area, but I finally realized it was exactly what I was looking for education wise, and for 1/3 of the price!

Imagine my surprise when I met people coming from every state and country to 'brilliant Evergreen,' some of my close friends turned down ivy leagues, and other notable schools across the country because TESC has such a great reputation. It is constantly winning awards for its innovative structure, student engagement, etc. and more importantly delivers a fantastic education to its very unique and diverse population.

It natural to equate it with crazy hippies, because when you meet any group of people or walk across campus you aren't going to think 'wow, today i saw a girl wearing jeans reading a book on campus', or 'i met a really nice guy with brown hair studying chemistry' you always remember extremes... the guy with crazy dreads, the one studying that wild contract.

We have every type of person at Evergreen... but it prepares us for the real world! And we are offered an opportunity to explore any topic that piques our interest with the added bonus of the support of brilliant, challenging, and supportive staff! I do more homework, explore more subjects, have better relationships with professors, and more passion for learning than many of my friends in universities around the world.

Take a 16 credit program, design a contract, or take a 4 credit evening or weekend class! If you're unsure of where to start go to an academic fair where you can meet professors, staff, and students and find the class that best suits you! Or just stop by one of the concerts, speaker series, film festivals, community mtgs, athletic events that happen on any given night to break the ice!

who knows... you may end up having a lil geoduck pride!

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How much are they paying you? No really, how much?

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well...

i pay them tuition........ and thankfully its worth it!
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Well I hope you're studying Public Relations,

because you have natural talent.

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My daughter is taking one of the sixteen credit programs

and is working very hard.  Lots of reading, lots of thinking, lots of growth.  I am really proud of her.  She has found the profs to be demanding on attendance and participation. It's a special challenge because she has two kids and if they are sick, or school is late, it's a problem for her to just walk away to class and tell her 4 year old, hey take care of yourself, I will be back in 5 hours.

I am convinced that as with most college endeavors, what you get out of it is directly proportional to the effort you put into it.

The demands for organized and systematic thought, the gathering, sorting and analyzing of data, the formulation of ideas based upon that organized and disciplined process can be tough for folks who don't really want to put the effort into it.  Coming with strong opinions does not prove that you have learned anything and will likely earn a person no particular credit with folks who are committed to education.  Is that close-minded or is that tough love?  You come to college, be prepared to think, to think aloud, to be challenged, to learn how to defend your ideas.  If that does not suit you, the post office may be hiring. 

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And, they have some good baskebtall

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If Nothing Else S6

from the sounds of it on a nightly basis, they have some killer parties!  Loud music, screaming, hollering, drums, cars burning out, police sirens...

If you don't like the classes, the parties afterwards sound like they're worth the cost of tuition!

LOL!

People living along the back side of Madera, right next to all the TESC housing are desperate to sell their houses because they can't even open their windows in the spring and summer from all the noise!

 

"A point of view is only a view from a point..." ~ Unknown

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I doubt that's different from any other college.

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I went there for...

...science & found it great!

Good school for art also, and in general best if you are a self-starter--

--a great place to meet folks as well!

>enjoy<

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Before the City of Olympia

Before the City of Olympia required drug testing for every employee - including seasonal - you could work with Evergreen students and draw your own conclusion.

To be fair, if you required drug testing near any American campus the employment pool is going to drop.

While most cities where campuses are located tend to resent the schools the most (the same with military bases), I'd say Evergreen students take it to the extreme (from my vantage point. From theirs it's passion, which is a good thing.)

Schools are represented by the most visible majority. While I have no doubt a great deal of people go to lecture and then go home, it's those who are out on Friday night that represent an organization.

This is why the military is huge on what you do in your free time. You're not just representing yourself when you're in public; you're representing your group.

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