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Submitted by JT on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 2:33pm.
A fair amount of stuff posted about Oly May Day at the Seattle Indymedia site, most of it is pretty angry stuff. I found this post particularly interesting. EDIT: Oops, wrong one, this is the post I was talking about. |
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Domestic terrorism right here in Oly
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:31pm.Just because someone talks smack...
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:34pm....doesn't make it "terrorism."
Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt
Read it?
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:42pm.In the last hours of May Day, March the 1st, we smashed out two of the windows of Alpine Experience, a business in Downtown Olympia. This business is owned by the fat, disgusting slug known as Joe Hyer, City Council member and general capitalist parasite. We also left a message for him and his cronies on the side wall.
Know this, Joe and Company...we will sabotage all of your efforts every step of the way. You will not get away with what you mean to do.
Sounds like terrorism to me. If you have a better definition, feel free. Talking smack doesn't quite cover it, and I think you are aware of that. Until then I'll stick with my definition.
Do you feel "terrorized?"
Submitted by Rick on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:45pm.If not, then it's not terrorism. I think Guglielmo is closer to the mark.
Beware the terrible simplifiers.
Jacob Burckhardt
Slightly threatened, and less safe
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 4:26pm.Anyway...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 4:47pm.I'm not using it for political advantage though
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 5:06pm.rotting in prison
Submitted by Robert Whitlock on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 5:19pm.When people act like this
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:09am.I'd call it extortion...
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 3:39pm.I think terrorism is overused
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 6:28pm.I wouldn't call it terrorism per se, an individual was targeted, not an entire group. If someone were to attack city hall, or set off an explosive device inside a business, or completly destroy something I may be willing to label it terrorism, but a few broken windows and some spray paint is an assault.
Protect yourself. Stop the predator. Reload. Dial 911.How about some of the
Submitted by libby on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 6:51pm.You really don't want me going there
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 7:03pm.In public. PM please if you would like my answers.
Protect yourself. Stop the predator. Reload. Dial 911.No, thanks
Submitted by libby on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 7:11pm.If you can't say it on the blog, I'm not interested in hearing it.
For the record, I agree that every example Wright cited is terrorism. State sponsored terrorism is no less terrorism than that used by clandestine groups.
I can say it
Submitted by security_six on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 7:14pm.But I've decided the resulting sh*tstorm isn't worth it. For what it's worth, I don't agree with ALL of the incidents you sighted, but I'm not in the mood for the argument.
Protect yourself. Stop the predator. Reload. Dial 911.Definition
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 9:06pm.The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition has the following definition of terrorism:
ter·ror·ism
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Here is a link to the article on the Olympian on the damage to the buildings http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/437811.html
Jeff Brigham"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
That definition is spot on
Submitted by Zero_One on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 9:17pm.That definition does not fit
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 6:52am.That definition does not fit the use of military force against a dictator that proved to be a repeated and continual threat to the national interest of the United States. Military action ordered by the twice-elected President of the United States and approved by a vote of Congress.
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
funny
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:04am.I don't think national interests should trump human interests. Where did you learn that moral system?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
In that case, our national
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:35am.In that case, our national interest was also in the human interest. I learned that over there. Outside of the TESC/Olympia bubble!
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
?
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 7:51am.I imagine there're a few dead people who aren't around to argue the point with you. At least killing off the dissent makes for an open and shut case, I guess.
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Is that why you try to kill
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 8:12am.Is that why you try to kill off dissent here?
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
wow
Submitted by enpen on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 8:18am.You must be mistaking killing (the ending of another person's life) with suspending an account on OlyBlog (informing someone they're not welcome here). There's a big difference. Does life get confusing with that kind of crossover?
"In principle, I am an anarchist. Kurt Vonnegut once said he was an agnostic who respects Jesus Christ. I am an anarchist who loves democracy." - Kenzaburo Oe
Does life get confusing for
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:06am.Does life get confusing for you with not knowing the differing definitions of the term "kill"? There are some big differences there. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kill
Do you know many people named dissent? Bob Dissent, Jill Dissent, Sam Dissent, Dissent von Dissent? Just when did kill off these people named Dissent?
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
Whose interests?
Submitted by Sandy M on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 8:25am.No, it's code for the
Submitted by Jeff Brigham on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:14am.No, it's code for the interests of the people of the United States as determined by the elected representatives of the people. Specifically the President and Senators and Representatives elected by the people. Key word there being elected.
Jeff Brigham
"The best defense against terrorism is a strong offensive against terrorists. That work continues.”
President George W. Bush
Thanks Jeff
Submitted by Norm on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 10:05pm.They don't get to decide for us.
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 12:05am.In November it definitely
Submitted by Merwyn Haskett on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:11am.To quote the great man:
Submitted by Mike on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:16am."Stuff happens."
Donald Rumsfeld on the rioting after the fall of Baghdad
The internet at my last one :(
Submitted by Norm on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:24am.Terrorism, or whatever you wish to call these acts, it doesn't matter to me.
I wouldn't ask for rehabilitation. My thinking is that the best course of action would be a really long prison sentence. Why? Because I would hate to see them "reformed" like so many in our prison system claim to be, and then reoffend. Given the motivation behind the crimes I would not want them to fake reform and simply become a mentor for the next generation of...whatever we are calling these people.
Well,
Submitted by Guglielmo on Sun, 05/04/2008 - 9:37am.