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Submitted by security_six on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 7:44pm.
It's totally safe all the time 10% (3 votes) It's safe most of the time 73% (22 votes) It's safe during daytime/early evening 3% (1 vote) It' safe for ME due to choices in personal protection or martial arts skills 7% (2 votes) It's not safe 3% (1 vote) Can I have a cookie and think about this? 3% (1 vote) Total votes: 30 |
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BTW
Submitted by security_six on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 7:45pm.I voted safe most of the time.
One loves to posess arms, though they hope to never have occassion for them.
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington 1796
Safe, for who?
Submitted by Chia on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 8:38am.I'd like to see an organization (perhaps a TESC student organization) arrange walking partners for downtown. This might address the need for parking downtown,create community, a habit of daily exercise, and help people who feel vulnerable feel safer. When I lived in Iowa City, a student group offered walking partners in the evening to anyone who wanted them. I think it's a needed service here in Oly, too.
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Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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First,
Submitted by Rob Richards on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 10:46am.Second, the chronic homeless community is a very different culture to live in. A lot of crimes are committed, not necessarily by them, but often to them. They are considered targets because in some places the police either put less emphasis on those kinds of crimes or they don't have the resources to investigate everything properly.
Please don't equate Terrie's story with the safety of downtown, they are completely different cultures. You will likely never been in the unsafe situations that Terrie was in many times.
I also don't want you to feel like I'm saying your fear is unjustified or doesn't matter. It does, and I hope through this conversation, I can help put you more at ease about our really safe city.
I voted that it's safe for
Submitted by Meta Hogan on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 8:48am.I voted that it's safe for ME, but I don't mean because of my protection or martial arts or whatever. It's safe for me because:
1) I don't feel threatened by people in need. This is based largely on my upbringing (thanks, Mom and Dad!) and my work at Bread and Roses. It is uncomfortable for me, as for many, to be around the severely mentally ill, to stand next to somebody who needs something I have and not give it to them, to hear in my head the awful judgments about addiction and bad relationships and everything else that I tell myself to justify the disparity between my own situation and others'. That said, it does not frighten me, and I do not feel threatened.
2) I personally know many people downtown--business owners and employees, regular coffee drinkers and beer drinkers and poets and hangers-out, homeless folks and walking patrol cops and residents. I am confident that the intricate web of social relationships that we build protects us more than guns or karate, that being able to reference common acquaintances, be recognized, or ask for help by name is the surest way to protect ourselves. That guy in the alley, who many passers-by assume is doing drugs or peeing, knows me. If someone tried to assault me, chances are that guy would be like, "Hey mister, leave Meta alone!" This is something I have intentionally cultivated, and it is reciprocal. It is my most valuable possession.
3) I don't have any really valuable stuff. The stuff that I have that is resellable is also replaceable, and not worth anybody's physical harm.
4) It's boring to be scared. I have enough things to be scared of, including hellfire, the eventual (?) contraction of the universe, farting in front of people (the list goes on...). I really don't need to look for things to add to that.
EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks Chia. I was so focused on myself, I forgot to add that it's a really unsafe place for some people, and many of those people who are in real danger of actual harm, are the ones everyone else is afraid of. Go figure.
Indeed, go figure. When I
Submitted by Chia on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 8:52am.---------
Nonviolence Includes Animals:
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Choices
Submitted by security_six on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 10:52am.The choices you have made in knowing the street people and your ability to interact with the mentally ill is a great tool and skill, I would equate as a "personal defense" choice even if you hadn't intended it to be so.
One loves to posess arms, though they hope to never have occassion for them.
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington 1796
Most of the Time
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 9:18am.there's...
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 11:35am....safety in the imediate, physical sense which i think Meta said everything i could have thought about but there's also safety in the long tern, psychological sense. For instance, with no grocery store I can afford to shop at downtown, I feel downtown may not be the same for much longer, thus the culture I love about it is threatened and unsafe, so to speak.
Lord knows we have a developer happy city council. I'm constantly worried about whether the landmarks that make Olympia special have much longer to be around.
The only time I felt physically unsafe downtown I was being pepper sprayed by Olympia's one and only actual gang.
Direction
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 11:50am.I'm on the other side of your views. I'm excited to see downtown development and a city core that has business and adventures scaled to meet the
needswants of ALL of Olympia.I can only guess - you were completely innocent and didn't deserve to be sprayed. From your profile Mission Statement:
it's not a crime
Submitted by a.future.with.n... on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 11:59am.to want a better world than what we have.
but you're partly right about the development issue. I'm looking forward to more housing, to more business beyond 5th ave, potentially a park in the port.
what I'm worried about are places like the Manium. It was hands down the BEST all ages venue in town that brought in a lot of great events. It's getting harder for places that encourage congregation to make it downtown. I just don't want to see a big sprawl of bars, retail shops closing before 6 o'clock and high priced art galleries.
I would like to see more parks, walkable allys, more public art and cool stuff like a teen center and a really good show venue. My home town had an all senior billiard hall and they would have swing dancing on the weekends. I just want to see more stuff to do is all.
when there's no grocery store people leave downtown more. I think we need a downtown co-op and a pharmacy STAT.
Common Ground
Submitted by Ehver Green on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 2:57pm.I would enjoy many of those late night establishments if they were around today. I saw two shows at Manium and as much as I support a place like Manium they didn't do themselves any favors with their approach to satisfying the city's requests. I believe both sides of the Manium issues have some explaining to do but you attract more bees with honey. I've read The Olympian and I've read pro-Manium blogs and there seems to be a big disconnect. I'm wondering how the process could have failed Manium so miserably and there not be more to the story. Anyway, this isn't 'on topic' but possibly a conversation for another day. My ideal spot for late night rock/alt/pop shows would be 911 4th Ave - Capitol City Studios!
Any (potential) business dealing with the city needs to understand you not only deal with city and county policies (building code, fire code, etc.), but you also get the added character building exercises associated with ambiguous personalities.
I hope this doesn't become another port protest thread
Submitted by Guglielmo on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 11:58am.Guns and kung fu aside
Submitted by Norm on Mon, 02/04/2008 - 5:57pm.